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  Új Válasz 2014-03-29 19:52:47 #29048

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  If there is a disagreement between measurement and perception there are several possibilities. The perception of some individuals is different than most of us and includes something that can't be measured - some folks insist on seeing ghosts, talking to dead people etc. (one of them used to be a Prime Minister of Canada -MacKenzie King). That doesn't make their perception wrong - just not relevant for most of us. Another possibility is that the measurement is wrong or incomplete. Back in the 1950's when transistors first came out engineers claimed transistor amps to be nearly perfect. Many listeners disagreed and it was discovered that since they were testing the new transistor amps the same as they tested tube amps they were missing some distortions. Once they learned how to test and measure for these distortions the race was on to improve transistor circuits to get rid of those distortions. I'm not saying there is anything missed in these measurements, only that it is possible. We know that the human perception system is an amazing thing. Most people can drink wine and say I like it or I don't like it. Some people can drink wine and identify the types of grapes used and sometimes even the year of those grapes. I have taken part in, and run blind listening test (I know some people disagree with blind listening as a valid test) with all kinds of equipment (cd vs records, cables, speakers, amplifiers,....) I'm most likely to be cynical and agree with the measurements if the blind listening tests verify the measurements. When they don't then scientifically it means we need to try and find reasons why. In my own tests I would tend to agree that I don't hear these differences. My ears are pretty good, I play and build guitars - have for 40 years, have been all over the world studying guitar building. I have, I believe, like a wine taster, practiced listening for small subtleties in the sound of instruments, my sound system consists of about $20k of well regarded 2 channel cd playing equipment (although experimenting with computer based). I would be happy to have anyone who thinks they percieve a difference verify that. Every time I thought I could hear a difference that was not measureable and I set up a carefull ABX test I found that there was a reason or that I couldn't reliably hear the difference after all. The real challenge here I think is to those who feel that this test does not explain what they are hearing is to find a way to verify that. Mitchco has done an excellent job of describing and supporting his position, Those of you who disagree are free to do so of course, but please take he stance that you have a different opinion which is at this point only opinion.

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